Exactly Why Are We Celebrating Christmas?

December 23, 2008 by  
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I would like to ask you to do a very difficult thing. Instead of just going along with what everyone says today and without being swayed by hundreds of years of growing modern religious practice, let’s just look at the Bible as if we were receiving its letters in the first and second century when they were written and then distributed. I would like to ask you a second difficult thing. Hear me out all the way to the end before shutting me down just because what I’m going to say is not the popular opinion.

Can I share with you a word that is conspicuously absent from the Bible? Christmas. It is not in our Bibles ever. Charlie Brown specials notwithstanding, the Bible never presents a single Christmas story, let alone the first Christmas story. I invite you to read the New Testament from cover to cover, upside down and backwards if necessary. Please provide me one shred of evidence that suggests God has ever asked us or wants us to establish a holiday (holy day) to celebrate the birthday of Jesus?

Christmas Day

Interestingly enough, the first problem we would have is figuring out on what day such a celebration should occur. It seems to me, since the Scripture equips us for every good work (cf. II Timothy 3:16-17), if God wanted us celebrating such a day He would have, at the very least, let us know which day to celebrate. But we can’t find that day anywhere in Scripture.

Why is December 25 the day? Certainly not because God equipped us to celebrate the birthday of Jesus on that day. Consider what The Encyclopedia Americana says about it:

“The reason for establishing December 25 as Christmas is somewhat obscure, but it is usually held that the day was chosen to correspond to pagan festivals that took place around the time of the winter solstice, when the days begin to lengthen, to celebrate the ‘rebirth of the sun.’”

Consider also what the New Catholic Encyclopedia says about it:

“The true birth date of Christ is unknown. The worldwide census reported in Luke 2:1-2 cannot be substantiated. By the late second century different groups of Christians held divergent ideas on the date of Christ’s birth: January 6 or 10…, April 19 or 20, May 20, or November 18…With no evidence for the exact date of Christ’s birth, and no clear proof of the date at which the feast began to be celebrated, nor its rationale, liturgical historians have developed two noncompetitive theories.”

Christmas Practices

The second problem we have is striving to figure out how to celebrate the birthday of Jesus. Again, the scripture equips us for every good work. Exactly how on the special day, for which there is no equipping, do we celebrate Jesus’ birthday? Scriptures would be nice on this one. Should we bake a cake? That’s how we often celebrate our birthdays. Should we pass out gifts? Should we decorate a tree? Hang out mistletoe? Burn a Yule Log? Amazingly, most of the practices we now associate with celebrating Christmas did not come from the equipping of Scripture. Rather, they came from adopting pagan practices into Christian religion.

The tree stems from the celebration of the pagans around the winter solstice of the rebirth of the sun. The evergreen trees had special significance because they represented life even during winter. The Yule Log stems from the pagan practice to light a bonfire on the darkest day of the year to keep away evil spirits. Mistletoe and Holly were part of the pagan worship, considered symbols of fertility and eternal life and were important like the evergreens as signs of life even in winter. Interestingly enough, even the gift giving stems more from pagan worship than from the wise men, who incidentally did not visit Jesus on the night of his birth (cf. Luke 2:11). Read what World Book 2001 says about gift giving:

“The custom of giving gifts to relatives and friends on a special day in winter probably began in ancient Rome and northern Europe. In these regions, people gave each other small presents as part of their year-end celebrations. By 1100, Saint Nicholas had become a popular symbol of gift giving in many European countries. According to legend, he brought presents to children on the eve of his feast day, December 6. Nonreligious figures replaced Saint Nicholas in certain countries soon after the Reformation, and December 25 became the day for giving gifts.”

Folks debate why people wanting to celebrate Jesus’ birthday co-opted so many pagan rituals and acts of worship. Some sources suggest it was so Christians could blend in and not be persecuted for their celebration. Some suggest it was so Christians could attract and keep the converts from paganism. However, no one remotely suggests it is because Christians who studied the Scriptures from God found direction or instruction to do these things.

Some Disclaimers

First, before someone throws up Romans 14:5-6, allow me to assure you that I certainly believe if you, as an individual, desire to set aside a day on which you primarily think about the birth of Jesus, celebrating it, honoring it, teaching about it, I agree you can. That, however, is a far cry different from establishing national and congregational holy days. Additionally, while you may set aside some day to personally celebrate Jesus’ birth, Romans 14:5-6 does not mean you are allowed to do so anyway you see fit. We can celebrate Jesus’ birth the same way we might celebrate anything Jesus did in His life. We pray and praise God for it. We sing songs about it. We teach it. We definitely do not co-opt pagan worship to do it.

Second, celebrating Christmas as a secular celebration of family, love, etc. does not violate any Scriptural principle of which I’m aware. Just as we might celebrate national holidays of our independence or in memory of our Armed Forces, etc., I believe we can set aside a holiday for giving gifts and spending time with family. I certainly leave room for conscience. If you hear this and believe Christians should not be involved in the celebration at all because of its pagan roots, I will understand and respect your conscience. However, I suggest pagan roots do not necessarily equal modern pagan practice. Just because I decorate a tree does not mean I’m worshipping it as a sign of eternal life. In fact, all of us tacitly recognize this. No one thinks anyone is honoring the god of the sun when they speak of Sunday or the god of the moon when they say Monday. No one believes we are honoring the German gods Tia, Woden, Thor or Frija when we speak of their days: Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. And no one is honoring Saturn when they speak of Saturday. I could go on and use the names of the months as examples but I think you get the point.

Third, I do believe we can make a mistake of being so intent on proving Christmas is not Jesus’ birth that we miss many golden opportunities to reach out to folks who are interested in thinking about Jesus at this time of year. However, I do not think we should follow lockstep with modern evangelicalism simply to attract numbers. So, please, do not feel the need to go around shouting down Christmas from the rooftops. Take opportunities to talk about Jesus with folks who are interested. But at the same time, don’t think you are doing Jesus favors by adding a holy day to your religious calendar so you can attract people to His body. Why not just let His plans work? He doesn’t need our added plans.

A Final Plea

Why does any of this matter? No doubt, some are saying, “What’s the harm? It’s all for a good purpose. What could possibly be wrong with celebrating Jesus’ birthday? Surely God doesn’t care.” As I see it, the issue is whether or not we will allow Jesus to actually be Lord of our lives, our worship and our service. Will we really surrender to Him or will we follow our plans as better. Luke 6:46 asks, “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?” (ESV). Colossians 3:17 says, “And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him” (ESV). We need to be people who do what Jesus tells us. We need to be people who do what brings glory to Jesus because it is what He has blessed with authorization. We should not be people who make up things because it seems good to us.

So, I’ll offer my plea one more final time. Instead of just going along with everyone today because it seems like such a pleasant thing, let’s go back to the Bible and try not to be swayed by hundreds of years of religious practice to just read what those first century Christians would have read. If you can find authorization for the modern Christmas practice there, then by all means practice it. If not, let’s just do what we find in the Bible.


Encyclopedia Americana International Edition, Scholastic Library Publishing Inc, Danbury, CT, 2006 v6, pp 666-7

New Catholic Encyclopedia 2nd ed., Gale, Detroit, 2003, p 551.

World Book 2001, World Book, Inc, Chicago, 2001, v 3, 534.

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20 Responses to “Exactly Why Are We Celebrating Christmas?”

  1. brian on December 24th, 2008 3:44 pm

    your comment box says “speak your mind” so I will. 🙂

    I came over from matt dabb’s blog

    how do we explain God not speaking out against Purim and Jesus’ possible participation (at least no condemnation) of Hannukah, Feast of Dedication??

    these were two “holy days” among Jews that did not originate in the Word of God.

  2. brian on December 24th, 2008 4:06 pm

    out of curiosity

    is it wrong to preach on the birth of Jesus in December?

    would it be wrong to have an assembly with readings, hymns, and prayers related to the birth of Jesus in December?

    lost in the message of “don’t make holy days” when is it wrong to focus on any part of Jesus’ life?

  3. Edwin Crozier on December 24th, 2008 5:57 pm

    Brian,

    Very good questions.

    First, regarding preaching on Jesus’ birth in December: I’m not exactly sure what in my article would cause you to question that. Obviously, we can preach about any aspect of Jesus’ life at any time. That, however, is a far cry different from establishing a church wide holy day to celebrate Jesus’ birthday and then adding in a bunch of observances that have no beginning in scripture, ie gift giving, tree decorating, mistletoe kissing, etc.

    Second, regarding Purim and Dedication: there are a couple of issues I would bring up here. 1) I’m not really sure, based on my article, why I have to explain something about Jewish national observances. I’m not trying to be an OT Jew, but a NT Christian. That being said, 2) Christ’s church is distinct from Israel in that Israel was not only a “religion” it was also a physical nation with national and civic laws and observances as well as religious ones. In my understanding, Purim and Dedication were national observances much in line with America’s observance of Independence Day on July 4th. They were not instituted to be on par with Passover, Unleavened Bread, Booths and Pentecost. As I said above, I have no problem if the American people want to establish some kind of observance and we as Americans observe it. The problem is trying to establish a religious, worship observance of Jesus’ birthday that God has not asked for or even indicated that He wanted. 3) I would also point out that regarding Purim, since its establishment story is part of OT canon that would demonstrate God’s permission.

    Thanks for your questions.

  4. brian on December 28th, 2008 9:46 pm

    I believe that galatians 4:10-11 is abused to prohibit celebration of Christmas/Easter and that Romans 14:5 is ignored.

    is it that different if a group of christians decide to have a special worship time focused on one of these themes at the time of year that denoms do it???

    why would it be okay for individuals but not okay for a local autonomous congregation to do the same thing?

  5. Edwin Crozier on December 29th, 2008 9:19 am

    Brian, I appreciate your continued discussion. Thank you for your questions to help me clarify.
    First, please note that I did not say anything about Galatians 4:10-11. Also, note that I did include Romans 14:5 in my discussion.

    Second, regarding your question about individuals versus local autonomous congregations: I think we should note that Romans 14:5 was not an instruction to local autonomous congregations. It was an instruction to individuals within the Roman congregation. In fact, if the congregation had decided to keep a day, they would have automatically violated the point of the verse because they clearly had some that did not keep the day.

    Further, we need to recognize there is a difference between individuals and congregations (see I Timothy 5:16 as demonstration). Therefore, just because we see something authorized for individuals, does not mean we see something authorized for a congregation.

    Specifically, regarding the question of Christmas. The local congregation’s job is not to celebrate holidays. It is not the church’s job to celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, etc. In the same vein, it is not the church’s job to celebrate even a secular version of Christmas. Regarding a religious observance of Christ’s birth, we’ll come back to the original question in the article above. Where is there any biblical support, equipping, preparation. If we were just using the Bible and not the hundreds of years of man-made traditions and the fact that we don’t like standing out from the denominations on this but want to fit in, where would we ever get the idea to celebrate Jesus’ birthday.

    Can a congregation celebrate Jesus’ birth? Of course. But not via Christmas. They can celebrate His birth the way we celebrate His baptism, His teaching, His miracles, etc. We celebrate it by teaching what the scripture says about it, singing to one another about, praising God for it. We can obviously do those things any time we want. We do not, however, find any equipping to establish a day to celebrate as Jesus’ birthday either by congregations or individuals.

    Again, i will reiterate my question. If we remove the hundreds of years of man-made tradition and remove our desire to fit in with mainstream evangelical Christianity, would anybody just read their Bible and decide, “I’ve got it. God wants us to celebrate Jesus’ birthday”? If so, which passage would cause them to think that.

  6. brian on December 30th, 2008 8:42 am

    thanks
    i understand you point about the difference between individual and congregation, and that makes sense.

    i also appreciate your last paragraph, although I wonder how many of our important doctrines would fall by the wayside if we applied that, at best it is subjective, but I like to think that way, as well

  7. Edwin Crozier on December 30th, 2008 9:46 am

    Thanks for the discussion Brian and the great spirit about it.

  8. formerCoC on January 9th, 2009 11:17 pm

    I stopped going to the CoC this past Christmas so I could listen to wonderful Christmas music at church. I wanted to meet the other members of the Body of Christ, visit ‘other congregations of the Body of Christ’ (Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians) so I did. I had a great time at all the congregations I visited. I’m still going to one of them now.
    I am very hesitant to join any congregation as a member now. I joined the CoC too fast 4 years ago (after returning from an 18 year absence).
    I won’t join any congregation until we have gone through a whole Church year of teaching. We have just left the Advent/Christmas season, and it’s almost Lent! I can’t wait! I haven’t celebrated Lent since I was a Catholic, 1990!
    Now, I enjoy using the Book Of Common Prayer. I love ritual!

  9. Edwin Crozier on January 11th, 2009 11:25 pm

    Dear former,

    I appreciate you sharing your perspective with us. I don’t have a problem with ritual per se. Some rituals are very beneficial.

    I have one simple request. In your post, you have stated what you are doing. In my article, I asked for scriptural authorization for the practice. If you believe it is okay for churches to have holy days celebrating the birthday of Jesus, please show us where in Scripture you find that.

    Thank you for being involved in our discussion.

  10. Please on July 7th, 2009 9:10 am

    Wow. CoCs say that they only do things that they have authorization for in the Bible. This might be the biggest joke perpetrated on Christendom since the Village People got “YMCA” into every sporting arena in America, where the same ppl who condemn homosexuals are the ones doing the hand motions.

    Here is a brief list of everything that CoCs do that you can’t find any NT church doing anywhere in the Bible. Where is the “scriptural authorization” for these practices:

    Dressing up for church
    Having a formal “worship assembly”
    Having 2-3 of these a week
    Bible classes at all. Much less all the curriculum and organization
    Purchasing a building
    Having a special building for “worship services”
    Paying a preacher to only pulpit preach and calling it evangelism.
    Having men’s business meetings
    Offering the Lords Supper twice on any given day.
    The Lord Supper in general. The CoC doesn’t even come close to replicating the NT common meal.
    Having a song leader.
    Sing in 4 part harmony
    Offering an “invitation”
    “Placing membership” and talking to elders to get approval to join a group
    Having a “worship service” where 2/3 of the time is listening to one man speak
    Formalism, in general. Men with folded hands serving in suits, ppl whispering in the building, no food allowed inside the sacred building, etc, etc.

    So we could go on and on and on and on. Next you’ll hear a lesson on authority…generic, specific….command example necessary inference, and expediencies. It’s all a smokescreen for doing what they want to do and condemning what everyone else is doing. Don’t let them fool you. They have ZERO consistency in what they condemn or approve. They don’t know who they are at their core, which is why they preach bogus sermons on why everyone can’t celebrate Christmas. It scares them. Its the ultimate small mans’ syndrome in a church form. CoCs are dying everywhere. They know it. So they condemn where everyone else is going b/c ppl want relevance in a church family and sermons on why christians cant celebrate Jesus are irrelevant. Did you hear what you said???? Christians can’t celebrate Jesus. Maybe God gave us that one day where the whole world is talking about Him for us to join in that conversation with the world. And you spend it condemning. Its so backwards I don’t even know where to begin.

  11. Edwin Crozier on July 7th, 2009 12:13 pm

    Dear “Please,”

    First, I hope you don’t mind, but I took the liberty of editing out the offensive word you used in your response. We don’t mind you speaking your mind. However, we will not allow words that many consider to be swear words or cursing in these posts.

    I’m not exactly sure why you feel the need to vent your anger at “CoCs” on our website. We are not affiliated with any group known as “CoC.” We are a local congregation, autonomously striving to serve and glorify God to the best of our ability. As you have listed things that we don’t practice claiming that “CoCs” do practice them without authority, I can only gather your beef is with someone other than us.

    However, assuming you do mean to release your vitriol on us as a congregation, I have a request. Please, actually read the article and address the scriptural arguments. I have no doubt, if you try, you can find places where we are inconsistent because we are growing just like all people are. But being inconsistent about some other scriptural point does not mean the point of this article is mistaken.

    Please, provide at least one scripture that authorizes the church’s observance of Jesus’ birthday. Or provide one scriptural principle that shows it is authorized. An emotional plea just because you like it or think its neat is not a scriptural argument.

    Finally, please, avoid building straw men to knock down as your argument. Not once did I say, “Christians can’t celebrate Jesus.” I said there is no authority in the New Testament for celebrating Jesus’ birthday as a national or congregational holy day. I also said there is no authority for the individual to remember Christ’s birth with many of the modern trappings associated with modern Christmas observance. If you have a truly scriptural argument, please, offer it. If not, please, don’t settle for accusing me of something I didn’t say and then believing you’ve refuted the article.

    I look forward to your scriptural rebuttal when you have time.

    Thank you for joining our discussion.

  12. Please on July 9th, 2009 12:09 pm

    Your response is soaked in pretense. But I’ll play along.

    Your website is Franklin Church of Christ. “CoC” is short for “Church of Christ”. It is the name of your group. You are a part of that denomination. You have set yourselves aside from a larger group of people (anyone who names Christ worldwide) and called yourselves a specific name (to denominate) the Church of Christ. That makes you a sectarian denomination. Period. I’m sure you’ll tell me that the name doesn’t matter, and that you’re autonomous and not apart of any other group, but go ahead and try to separate yourself from that name. Take it off your signage and your website and quit calling yourselves that, and we’ll see how much it matters. CoCs say that they’re not networked but they are. All that matters is the fruit of the tree, not what the tree says about itself. It’s the ultimate denial. The proof is in the fruit, not in whatever you’re going to respond to.

    It’s interesting that you say that you don’t practice those things I mentioned when you actually do. If from nothing else, the pictures on your website attest to the fact that you dress up for church, and listening to your sermons fills in many of the other points on that list. Besides the fact that I personally know that you do these things. Again, not sure what the pretense is for. You’re assuming I’ve never set foot in your group. Bad assumption. There’s no “beef” or “vitriol”. I couldn’t care less. Just don’t act like you don’t do those things when, in fact, you do. And there’s zero “authority” for it in Scripture.

    The reason why I don’t have a “scriptural rebuttal” for your article is because there isn’t one. You’re making this a Biblical issue on the fact that we have “no authority” to celebrate Jesus’ birth. I have made a list of things that you practice that you have “no authority” to do. There is no consistency to what you condemn and approve of. It’s the same argument, just pointed back at yourself. And you’re dismissive of it. Which is also typically the CoC way. But if you’re looking for authority to celebrate Jesus’ birth, all we need to do is read the accounts in the Gospels. It seemed like it was a pretty big deal. Did they have XMAS trees then? No. Special services? No. But all things are lawful now. And thank God for that. Unless it is specifically forbidden in Scripture, we are permitted to do it if its consistent with the heart of God and Jesus’ life.

    I appreciate anything that celebrates Jesus’ life. Whether thats a special service, a conversation around a campfire, a Christmas song, a tradition….who cares. I’m just saying that if you’re going to say that we can’t do something because it isn’t in the Bible, and the NT church didn’t do it, then be consistent with that. Because you’re not. It’s just sad to see that a pastor would spend his time and the church’s money developing a lesson that brings division and negative condemnation on the practices of other believers. Again, that’s typical CoC stuff. Doesn’t make it any less sad. Why would anyone want to come and be a part of a congregation like that?

  13. Edwin Crozier on July 9th, 2009 1:28 pm

    Dear Please,

    Note that I didn’t assume anything about your attendance or lack thereof. However, I think it is also worthy of note that if you weren’t hiding behind internet anonymity, I wouldn’t have to assume anything about you.

    You say several things about being a denomination and things we supposedly do without authorization. But those are really side issues to this post and I do not want to get off topic in here. The real issue is what New Testament authority is there to establish a holy day around Jesus’ birth? You essentially state (and I’m paraphrasing):

    1) “I don’t have a ‘scriptural rebuttal'”
    2) The Franklin Church does other things that aren’t authorized
    3) The New Testament doesn’t tell us not to

    My responses to these are:
    1) I appreciate your admission that nothing you’ve said poses a scriptural rebuttal to my article.

    2) We may do some things that are not authorized. We are growing in God’s will as everyone is. That means we change as we learn better. However, the fact that the congregation may be doing something that is unauthorized doesn’t suddenly make a holy day around Jesus’ birth authorized anymore than pointing out the sins I have committed means you are allowed to commit fornication. This argumentation is a sidestep. Instead of providing authority for this issue, you wish to move the topic to some other issues that have no bearing on this topic at all. And when you are finished you still haven’t provided scriptural authority for the practice in question here.

    3) This, of course, professes a difference in how to determine what we are allowed to do. I believe that II Timothy 3:16-17 demonstrates the scripture equips us for every good work. If I can’t find equipping for it, I believe it is not a good work. You seem to believe the scripture simply condemns all bad works and everything else is good. However, you do say it must be consistent with the heart of God and Jesus’ life. So my question would be, how do you know the heart of God? Is it not through scripture? When God revealed His heart to us, where did he tell churches to celebrate Jesus’ birthday? And where did He tell Christians to celebrate any aspect of Jesus’ life by the holiday of Christmas?

    Again, I believe the scripture teaches that you as an individual may celebrate Jesus’ birth any day you want to. But I do not believe you can celebrate Jesus’ birth by decorating a tree, passing out gifts, burning a yule log, etc. If you can, please show me the authority for it or how any of those things go along with the heart of God.

  14. Please on July 9th, 2009 2:19 pm

    You calling me out for “hiding behind internet anonymity” is also typical CoC. If all of your buddies weren’t writing for brotherhood papers such as Biblical Insights and Guardian of Truth then I’d feel free to let you know who I am. Just deal with what I’m saying and don’t worry about who I am. I know that is difficult, but just try. If the FranklinCoC wants to have a web presence, then I would think that they’d be prepared to answer questions from all over the world from ppl they personally don’t know. Maybe you all are in over your head.

    Again, my scriptural rebuttal to your article is that the Gospels seem to make a big deal out of Jesus’ birth. It was special that Jesus came to earth. And yes, I believe that we are free to celebrate that. We find the heart of God by reading Scripture yes. Read the Gospel accounts. That’s the heart of God on this matter. Not some random verse in Timothy that has nothing to do with this topic. The verse you quoted doesn’t say, “if God didn’t authorize it , then we can’t do it”.

    So let me summarize your statements:

    1) Other groups have no authority as a church to celebrate Jesus’ birth thru Christmas, etc, etc.
    2) “We may do some things that are not authorized.”

    I, too, appreciate your admission.

    I’m simply pointing out to you that you have no authority to do a lot of what you do either. You’ve admitted that. And if you, as the Franklin church of Christ, are doing the very things that you are condemning (in principal) then sure I’ll give you grace on that. But stop condemning others when you’re doing the same thing and give THEM grace. Maybe they’re just trying their best to “grow in God’s will too” I’m not trying to justify myself by pointing out your hypocrisy. i.e. your bogus sin/fornication example. You picked the fight with those that celebrate Christmas on the grounds that they have no authority. I have established that you have no authority for what you do either. So my point to you is, be consistent.

    So “When God revealed His heart to us” where did He tell us to meet on Wednesday nights? And where did He tell Christians to wear suits on Sundays thereby alienating the poor? Where does the NT say that they gathered together in order to conduct a worship service whereby there was a 45 minute sermon?

    There’s no sidestep here. Just pointing out that the very argument you use to condemn, when pointed back at you, shows that your group is pretty careless when it comes to holding yourself to the same standards you hold others to. Pretty sure that Matthew 7.1-5 addresses that kind of thing.

  15. Edwin Crozier on July 9th, 2009 2:43 pm

    Dear Please,

    I think we have hit a point of repeating ourselves on this issue.

    You seem to believe as long as something is not condemned, we are allowed to do it. You also seem to believe that because we may be inconsistent, the article I’ve written is faulty. We clearly disagree on these two issues. It doesn’t appear to me that further discussion on it will provide change for either of us or benefit the public who reads this blog, in which we have allowed your opinion to be stated. I will let the readers decide which of us is making valid points. That is the purpose for this site.

    My one request, since you keep repeating this point about how condemning I have been. I would ask you to read the article once again as well as my responses. I did not condemn anyone in the article. I asked a question. I made a request. I asked for scriptural authority to celebrate a day as Jesus’ birthday. (Please, note, I did not ask for authority to celebrate Jesus’ birth.) I ask this question from the desire to help us all consider scriptural principles so we may all draw closer to God’s heart instead of trying to get him to draw closer to what we enjoy. I’ll let God decide what to do with us based on those choices. However, I do think it is valid to question any practice, no matter how many people like it, no matter how many Christians think it is good. I think we ought to be allowed to ask those questions without fear of people belittling us or calling us names simply because we ask folks to defend their practices.

    By the way, the next time you do visit our assemblies, please let me know. I would love to meet you face to face and hopefully have more profitable discussions because we are actually looking at and know each other.

  16. Edwin Crozier on July 10th, 2009 6:58 am

    Dear “Please,”

    I am saddened to do this, but as long as your posts are designed to belittle and berate, to call names and ridicule (especially when done anonymously), I will no longer approve them for this thread or any other. For that reason I am not approving your response to my post in which I claimed we were repeating ourselves.

    If you develop a scriptural argument that opposes what is posted on this site, I am happy to post your disagreement. However, this discussion has now waded past the waters of disagreement and become disagreeable. The purpose of this site is to teach what we believe is the truth and allow for pleasant discussion of agreements and disagreements.

    I believe we have now gone above and beyond our call of duty in allowing your contrary opinion to be read by our subscribers and other viewers. I will leave it to them to study and determine what God has authorized for them.

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  18. Jack Wise on December 16th, 2011 9:01 am

    The article is well written and valid in the questions asked. Another point is all the evil that surrounds Christmas – covetousness, idolatry, selfishness (look how people treat each other on Black Friday!) and all the lies. It is disturbing to present Santa with all the characteristics and attributes of God (knows all – deeds and thoughts-, sees all, hears all, and keeps a book of those who are good and bad) and even give Santa an image!

    Many people say they don’t celebrate Christmas like the world but yet they perform and keep all the activities that encompasses Christmas just like the world and denominations. When their neighbors compare what they are doing to what some Christians are doing they see no difference, even down to Santa! Then how can a Christian explain there is a difference when everything is the same? A wolf with sheep’s clothing is still a wolf! Christians who claim Christmas is not a celebration of Christ birthday and yet do all the things ascribed to Christ’s birthday on Christmas is the most hypocritical thing accepted!

    I have heard the arguments the unknown writer wrote. Glad you stood your ground. Also glad you were cordial and offered an opportunity to a deeper study.

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